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HR 3200 America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009

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Should House Resolution 3200 be passed?

Click here to access the full text of the HR 3200 America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009
 

Arguments For

Yes on HR 3200

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Coverage to all Americans through health insurance market reforms
A choice of plans through a health insurance exchange
An end to coverage denials based on pre-existing conditions
Fundamental Medicare reform, including repeal of the flawed sustainable growth rate (SGR) formula[2]

Urgent Need for Reform

"Americans will spend about $2.5 trillion on health care in 2009, which is 17.5 percent of the gross domestic product. That means that of every $6 in the American pocket, $1 is being spent on health care. And costs have been rising at a rate much faster than the GDP. They have been doubling every eight to 10 years, and will continue to double at that rate without some kind of intervention." - vindy.com

"In the first half of the year, Obama said repeatedly in speeches, weekly radio and Internet addresses and town halls that he wants a health care overhaul that has a taxpayer-funded public health insurance option. He has said the plan would compete with private insurance to keep costs down." - google news - health care(AP)

Myths Surrounding the Bill

"Obama emphasized that, contrary to the assertions of many, illegal immigrants will not get health insurance under a reform plan....He said the charge that funding for abortions would be mandated is false, as is the notion that federal "death panels" would be established to discourage care for the sick and elderly." - cnn.com - obama slams myths on healthcare bill

Counterpoints

Although page 30 says, "a government committee will decide what treatments you get," the page refers to a "private-public advisory committee" that would "recommend" what minimum benefits would be included in basic, enhanced and premium insurance plans.[2]

The House bill doesn't give anyone free health care (though under a 1986 law illegals who can't pay do get free emergency care now, courtesy of all us premium paying customers or of hospitals that have to eat the cost).[3]

Arguments Against

No on HR 3200

Death Panels argument.

Obamacare Point and Counterpoint - americanthinker.com

Explanation of Obamacare (PDF)

"The grossly misnamed Americas Affordable Health Choices Act (HR 3200) combines the worst of all possible worlds: high taxpayer costs, big increases in federal deficits, and disincentives for businesses to hire, while leaving up to twenty million individuals still uninsured and doing little or nothing to control runaway national health care expenditures." - thehealthcareblog.com

Loss of Freedoms

Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
Many other problems: Plain-english descriptions of various parts of the legislation (freerepublic.com)

"In short, the Obama platform would mandate extremely full, expensive, and highly subsidized coverage -- including a lot of benefits people would never pay for with their own money -- but deliver it through a highly restrictive, HMO-style plan that will determine what care and tests you can and can't have. It's a revolution, all right, but in the wrong direction." - cnn

Socialist Problems

Failing insurance system in Canada.

"Delays are as inevitable a feature of socialized medicine as compulsion is of government. Since socialism violates the economic laws by which an entrepreneur applies his genius to scarce resources and produces abundance, shortages always result. Angela testifies to the human cost "free" medicine extracts from her neighbors: "People needing heart surgery and even cancer treatments regularly have to wait 6 months or more, watching their lives tick by as the cancer grows, or in fear of dropping over dead at any moment." " - campaignforliberty.com

Socialism does not work (See Soviet Union)

The Bill Ignores the Root Causes

High legal protection costs for physicians in the United States. Too easily and too often patients will sue for malpractice, even when a physician does everything medically right.
High amount of tolerance by the public to accept treatments rather than cures. Failure of public to pressure pharmaceutical companies to produce actual cures, because otherwise they have no incentive to do so.

The bill does not tackle the root cause of expensive (and thus inaccessible) health care and health care coverage.

Far greater incentive to for pharmaceutical companies to treat, rather than cure.

"We must assume that the money has been spent on finding those disease treatments that are destroying patients and breaking the back of the health care system. Do you think there will be an investigation, hmmm? So for the present time modern medicine's answer to every disease is, "it is incurable, you will have to take this medicine for the rest of your life"." - Dr. Paul Blake (articlesbase.com

"Dr. George explains in the interview below that rather than actually curing illnesses or preventing them, we simply try to manage them. Her argument, as with many others in the healthcare profession, is that this attitude is driven by the fact that pharmaceutical and insurance companies only maximize profits when people stay sick." - bvonmoney.com

Legal wrangling of physicians

Doctors incur far higher costs for legal protection than most other countries. In lawsuit-happy USA, physicians must protect themselves financially or they will be in ruin.

The plan would make private insurers rich

This year, with the health care debate raging in Congress and across the country, the health care lobby, including health care professionals, pharmaceutical companies and health insurance companies, are spending an average of $1.4 million per day, says Common Cause.[6]

Every issue that Congress has to address today is tainted by the current system of campaign contributions and money in politics, said Bob Edgar, Common Cause national president.

Sources


 1  Get money out of politics
 2  Twenty-six Lies About HR 3200 Aug 28, 2009 Jackson, Brooks et al (factcheck.org)
 3  The Five Biggest Lies in the Health Care Debate Aug 29, 2009 Begley, Sharon (www.newsweek.com)
 4  american medical association
 5  PBS Health Care Crisis - History
 6  article on the "windfall" profits to come with Obama's healthcare plan

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User Comments & Opinion

 
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5 Voted Yes

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overall I think it's a good plan - jennyhooah (twitter) 0

3 Voted No

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We need to overhaul the legal system to allow doctors to practice without high costs and get government out of a business (health insurance) that they don't understand, forcing taxpayers to pay more for less coverage. - admin vote up image vote down image +1
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I have nothing against Obama's desire to provide health care to all, but it isn't a lack of programs that prevents people from having insurance. If you look more deeply into the cause, its 1) lawsuits against doctors are really bringing prices up as well as 2) ineffective federal programs such as medicare that cause problems that doctors have been complaining about for years. - thorie (twitter) vote up image vote down image 0
 
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